20-foot auxiliary masthead cruising sloop
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Designed by Capt. Andrew Davidhazy in 1966 and built by Howie Renner of Howie Craft Plastics in Lake Oswego, near Portland, Oregon for many years.
The brief history is that Capt. Davidhazy traded the design of the Heritage for a hull made by Howie.
Capt. Davidhazy passed away in 2003 and you can read a brief biography about him clicking on this link.
Howie Renner passed away in 2011 and and you can read a brief obituary here.
If the small images have a blue border around them you can click on them and see an enlarged version.
Above are 3 documents from Howie Renner to Gary Nece. One in 1999 with info about Hawaii crossings and hull numbers, one brief note in 2000 and another a price list dating back to 1982
On the left and right are photographs of Howie Renner sailing on Puget Sound with Capt. Andrew Davidhazy at the helm. In the middle two photographs the Capt. is on his own and sailing in calmer winds and seas!
Three photographs of Heritage #1 with Howie and Donna Renner on board - and Capt. Andy entertaining on the Adria at right
Two Heritages at Shilshole in early 1970s. #3 (of Capt. Davidhazy) and #1 (2 portholes - Howie's Renner's?)
and #3s dinghy also designed by the Capt. with two of his grandchildren on board
In order to expedite the availability of new material sent in by owners it was decided to install these items at the head of this website devoted to Heritage owners. The information also appears in each boat's individual page or in the general correspondence folder listed below. Click on photographs to see a larger version.
GOOD NEWS FROM HERITAGE #17 IN FLORIDA
January 07, 2017 update from Kenny Hopkin and Minka #17 in Florida. Good news regarding Minka. Some good luck has come my way and I will not be selling Minka. Also, after a lot of research I have built a single handed mast raising system for her. Mast is up and sails are hanked on. I have no genoa and was curious where you found your red and white one? I would like to find a used one in decent shape. I also have copies of Howies blue prints/ line drawings that lists all sail and build information.
All of the work I have been doing to her should be coming to an end in the next month or so. Then her/my 1st shakedown cruise. I have promised my grandsons that I will trailer her up to the Chesapeake bay in late May early June for a month, then on to North Haven, Maine to sail with friends on the island.
I'll try and get pics and video of her first trailer launch in 30 years...so stay tuned. How is progress on Gabriella coming?
to which Andy Davidhazy replied: Hi Kenny, Good to hear these news! sounds like you have an exciting adventure ahead this year. I would be interested in particular to see what kind of system you set up to raise the mast.
The red striped "drifter" (light weight oversized genoa) came with the boat from Steve Cassella. I don't know where he got it from. The specs for it were not with the Heritage drawings as far as I know. They did show a spinaker though if I recall. Not sure if there were specs for it.
Work on the Adria is at a standstill. I think we will not do any updates on her. Our sailing season last year was pretty good. Hopefully things will be similar this year. I'd like to be on a calmer body of water but not convinced to move to a "finger" lake ... although a few are sizeable. We are looking forward to stories and photos of you progress. You may have read that Christy is moving to San Juan island in the PNW. And taking her Aeolus with her and looking forward to sailing there.
Heritage One is in Austin in storage. My older son has great plans for her but one problem is the lack of expertise to refurbish/operate the inboard Westerbeke engine. No experienced sailboat diesel engine mechanics in Austin! So we will see what "develops" with her. Well, congratulations and fair winds be with you!!
BREAKING NEWS: Blackfin has new owners
This bit of news from Phil Williams, of Port Townsed, WA arrived recently: Blackfin now has new owners: Casey and Bridget McNassar who live in Carnation, WA. It was not easy to part with Blackfin, but we were happy to find a wonderful couple who are excellent sailors and will keep the boat in bristol condition.
The Blackfin "spot" on this website will now list Casey and Bridget as the new owners and further news or new news about Blackfin will appear in the page dedicated to Heritage #12, namely Heritage - Casey and Bridget McNassar Album. "Spot" news will also appear here. Casey and Bridget, WELCOME to the group. You better get used to getting a lot comments and compliments on your sailboat. It comes with the territory!! :)
The periodic get together of Heritage owners and friends in Seattle this year was a bit sparse but we had a fun time nevertheless going out to dinner at Ivar's Salmon House on Lake Union. Christy Haase and Sue and Andy Davidhazy as seen in attached photo. Various eventualities precluded the attendance of other locals but we will try for another occasion possibly sometime in March.
Interested in possibly becoming an owner? check the "classified" postings further down this page where you will find TWO of them currently for sale.
as seen on Facebook:
ODD DEPOSITS at thru hull fittings HELP or ADVICE sought
The thru hull fittings on Aeolus have odd calcium type deposits, not marine growth as previously thought. One was completely covering the cockpit drain beneath, the boatyard said they've never seen anything quite like it. Obviously caused lots of drainage issues. They joked it was a special unique little problem for a special unique little boat. They removed it before I could get a picture, but here are a couple with remnants. Has anyone else had this issue? Especially those moored in salt water? She has a few zincs that should be helping. Thanks!
If you have words of wisdom to share you can contact Christy Haase by email at: email@example.com
Here is a brief clip of Adria sailing on lake Ontario on July 3, 2016. At the tiller is Sue and is ably assited by Molly. Andy busy making the video. Click on the link below to see the 30 second video via YouTube.
LEAKING PORTHOLE FRAMES
I noticed that our windows (portholes) are leaking and after a heavy rain the drips add to a puddle and then water builds up in bilge - not enough to sink the boat but need to use bilge pump. Besides this promotes humidity in the cabin. I could use advise on how to dismantle the wood window frames and seal the windows so they don't leak. I noticed that Heritage One has aluminum framed windows. I suppose that is one solution but I've seen that most Heritages have wooden (teak?) frames. If you have suggestions I'd appreciate hearing from you. Andy at firstname.lastname@example.org
On the matter of seat hatch covers leaking ... I found that a possible solution is to run a cord around the perimeter of the hatch next to the flat rubberized seal and also run it next to the hinges. So far this eems to help in preventing water from dripping into the hatch. I may glue the cord in place. More details and photosto follow.
Here are a couple of photographs from Christy Haase, Aeolus' skipper and owner:
"Many people are alive but don't touch the miracle of being alive". Thich Nhat Hanh - For me, sailing is being alive. It demands attention to the present moment, and how that moment shifts into new circumstances, new moments; changes in wind speed, two currents meeting with a choppy riptide, land formations morphing before your eyes as perspective alters on a tack. Abundant sea life above and below right where you are, possibly moving towards the same quiet cove for an evening's rest. Sailing is one of the few activities that commands my full attention, my full presence, and creates a sense there's nothing else I should be doing in that moment. (Fortunately sanding lots of teak offers almost the same). Wishing for fair winds and following seas in the upcoming boating season!
Aeolus at dock in Fossil Bay, Sucia Island which is on the northern most San Juan Islands. It was saved in the 70's from becoming privately owned by a group of dedicated boaters. Now it's a state park and while crowded sometimes in the summer, in the off season it's magical. Honestly you don't want to leave.
Happy days are here again!
You can watch a 45 second clip of Sue and Andy Davidhazy and Molly out on their first sail of the season on Adria on Lake Ontario on May 19, 2016 by clicking on this link: https://youtu.be/fb9Db8JxrQU
BREAKING NEWS: Gregg McDonald and his #10 Wild Tangent make contact
May 4, 2016: Andrew, I have had my Heritage (HWC 10 8 73) since 1979. Since I was on the bottom of a two year waiting list that turned into a four year waiting list, Howie connected me with owner Dave Campbell who wanted to sell his boat still unfinished. I finally launched in 1984 here in Portland.
We trailered down to Florida in 1985 - 86, sailing around Florida and the Bahamas. In 1989 we bought a Sam Morse 22' Falmouth Cutter that we also trailered to Florida. The Heritage has not been sailed since. It is such a beautiful boat that I planned to putter with during retirement. However, now that I am retired I have too many boats for puttering purposes, and it should go to someone that not only loves the Heritage but would actually sail her. In following the typical age progression from sail to power, I would trade both boats for a 26' Nordic tug.
I saw that your son bought Howie's Heritage One. I was wondering if he also picked up a dinghy. Howie had two tucked under his back deck down in Ft. Myers. I used to visit Howie and Donna when I was in Florida and would occasionally take a dinghy for a row. They are so light and easy to row. I had forgotten that Capt. Andy designed them.
Please add me to your owners' list. I may not do much sailing anymore, but I still enjoy hearing about it. Gregg 1590 SW 197th Ave, Aloha, OR 97003 503 642 2084 Gregg and Leah McDonald email = email@example.com
On the Facebook Heritage Group site Christy Haase (Skipper/Owner of Aeolus) replied as follows: You probably don't remember but I spoke with you on the phone many years back, I saw Wild Tangent for sale in 48 Degrees North publication, thought it was the best little boat I'd ever seen. You kindly sent a packet of materials and I knew it was the boat for me. Just took many more years to finally get one! PS Wild Tangent, as I recall, is absolutely gorgeous. Gives me Heritage envy haha
Gregg added a few comments on May 7, 2016: Andrew, As to the boat name, I'm not math connected, but "tangent" seemed to apply to a boat sailing on the ocean. It later expanded to the phrase "off on a wild tangent" to pretty much describe my life at the time. Also, if I ever cruised anywhere to merit a book deal, I thought that would be an excellent title. I'll leave it to the next owner to write that book.
As to the total number of Heritages, 18 sticks in my mind. There was no number 13 hull, so I think #18 (or maybe #19) was the last hull number. I know Howie stopped doing unfinished boats at some point. He also wanted the mold destroyed so no more could be built. After he died, I did see the plug he used to build the hull and deck molds. They were in the bushes at his property in Oregon. When he sold his place in Oregon, the Pro basketball player that owns it now gave Howie and Donna a five year contract to use the house and property, which they did in summers. That was up this spring so I'm guessing everything ended up in the burn pile, and a new mansion will be going up.
I wouldn't discourage anyone from restoring a boat. If you love her, it's pleasure, not work, at least during the honeymoon. I may have been with Howie the last time he motored to the marina for seasonal takeout. The motor was running fine, but it has been sitting in his basement shop for a few years. If your son hasn't diagnosed the problem yet, it is probably lack of compression from dry cylinder walls or lack of good fuel. I have the same Westerbeke in my boat. Be sure to change out the water pump impeller. I learned the hard way.
Kudos to you for being the central communications point for the Heritage Group. I restarted the Falmouth Cutter Newsletter back when it involved a typewriter, a copier, and postage stamps. I'll leave it up to you as Editor to determine what is personal correspondence with you and what is of group interest.
On a personal note, can you tell me how Donna was doing? I have not seen her in over two years, and she was having mobility and memory problems then. I know she was saying she did not want to sell the Heritage because it reminded her of Howie. At the same she said she wanted it to go to Andy.
I don't post on Facebook, but I would like to respond to Christy's message. Yes, Christy, I remember you very well. I don't often receive phone messages from excited young women. After my answering machine would cut off, you dutifully called back and continued the conversation. I would have returned your phone call if you would have given a phone number. As it was, I had your address, and knowing how badly you wanted a Heritage, it was a pleasure to put together those pictures for you. The last I heard you had postponed your boat search for a trip to Italy, but Howie must have told me later that you had finally acquired your dream boat. I have never advertised my boat for sale, so the ad you saw in 48 North (OR registration numbers 882 JH) belonged to Curt Adams. I have only talked about selling my boat to two people, you and Capt. Andy, and that was through Howie.
I'll look through my old pictures and see what might be of interest to you or the group. Thanks for including me.
Andy made a comment on the dinghy: Gregg, I did not get Howie's dinghy but did see an uncompleted one at his home that the broker gave away to a helper. I did however get the original dinghy that my Dad owned with the name of his boat still visible on its stern. Have had it out a couple of times but I don't have much need for one. It could use a bit of upkeep of trim and motor mount but otherwise still floats!!
As for Donna ... did not get to see her. The broker was kind of elusive about this. I saw a relative by marriage lady but she could not tell me much.
Andy Davidhazy, new owner of #1, is in the lookout for instruction manuals for the original Westerbeke 5 hp engine that was installed in several early Heritages. If you have such items he would appreciate a copy or a scanned copy. You can reach him at firstname.lastname@example.org
Off to Hawaii and back - memories
A brief exchange with Steve Cassella's wife about the group photo at Ray and Mary Waldmann's home last year resulted in the following: "I should send you a photo I took of him on Martha just before he set sail for Hawaii. Left clean shaven with short hair, returned with long hair and a full beard. Sadly, being presmartphone and pre digital, I don't have a photo of the hairy monster on his return."
This is the photo that was received. Intrepid adventurer by all appearances that Steve!
Anyone know where to find a hull identification number on the Heritages? I've been going by the number on the mainsail but then I found two photos with a #5 on their sail. One on a black hull and other a white one. Since I have the white one with a number #5 just below the eagle logo on its main sail (as you can see in my photographs of the Adria) this then leaves me in a quandary. The other #5 is close to the leach of the sail as you can see in the photograph to the right. If you know the answer I'd be glad to know it. Write to me at email@example.com
Kenny replied to this matter as follows: On Minka the numbers are on the starboard deck at the stern, sort of underneath the raised wooden rail if that makes any sense. If you cannot find them email me back and I will take a picture of mine for you. ... and Kenny did do just that. Sent a couple of photos shown below.
This number may or may not appear on every hull. For example, on the Adria there is no number that I could find. Maybe it has to do with the year that the boat was made and early hulls were not required to have a hull number.
Kenny followed this up with: I did a quick search and apparently prior to Nov. 1972 hull id numbers were not mandatory.
After 1972 a 12 digit number was used, so in my case HWC000170379 indicates Hull # 17 made in March of 1979. I also read that prior to 1972 some manufacturers used a placard of some type inside the vessel but was not mandatory. I guess one could keep an eye out for a placard of some sort inside.
The following observation was received: Even though Capt. Davidhazy and Howie produced a fantastic vessel, it did have a couple drawbacks. One was the "weather helm" which is the tendency of the boat to "head up" into the wind when sailing "on the wind". It causes you to place the tiller to windward thereby "stalling out" the rudder which in turn creates drag and slows the boat.
This is the result of too much sail area "aft" of the "combined sail area" of jib and mainsail.
Years ago I did the calculations for the Heritage; the first was the combined "center of effort" for the standard suit of sails; the second for the "center of lateral resistance" of the hull. These two "centers" need to occur at almost the same point in order for the vessel to be balanced. When they are in excess, either to far forward (or) too far aft, the boat will not balance correctly.
From memory, the quick fix for this was to shorten the boom to about the aft face of the cabin. The mainsail would need to have the "leech" cut back to accommodate the new configuration and you would need to sheet the boom from a new location on cabin top or install a traveler on the bridge deck at the companionway.
A follow-up comment went like this: It is always preferable to have a little weather helm. A little weather helm will send the boat into the wind if the tiller is left unattended; much better than lee helm which could result in an accidental jibe where the boom could smack somebody in the head. When you have too much weather helm the rudder is acting like a brake which slows the boat and is a strain on the rudder post and tiller connection.
You can reduce weather helm by letting out on the main sheet, reefing the main, and by moving weight aft. Flattening the main sail also helps. Flattening can be accomplished by tightening the downhaul (tightening the luff of the sail) and tightening the outhaul (tightening the foot of the mainsail). You can also adjust the rake of the mast by tightening the forestry and loosening the backstay.
Since your son is getting a new sail he should mention the weather helm problem to the sail maker and the sail maker can take that into consideration.
Personally I don't remember excessive weather helm being a problem so shortening the boom seems like an excessive solution. I could make quite a few adjustments just by moving weight around. If you shorten the boom you need a new sail so why not leave the boom the same size and let a sail maker adjust in the cut of the sail. I'm not a big racing sailor so some of the finer aspects of this are beyond me. Calculations in first comment may be right, I just don't remember it being that big an issue.
Sailing downwind to Hawaii I didn't even use the main sail. The self steering wind vane worked perfectly using two head sails wing on wing. Sailing home upwind from Hawaii I made excellent time with the main and jib until the wind stopped blowing. There were a few times on the return trip when I took all the sails down because I was so disgusted with sails slapping back and forth due to no wind. I only had light or no wind for 13 days; much better than a guy I met who was becalmed for 40 days from the Galapagos to the Marquesas. His trip took 70 days and nearly drove him crazy.
Not about weather helm but about sails, Mark Raine, whose Heritage "Nutty" is in Ketchikan, Alaska, made this comment when asked about sails for sails for Heritage #1:
So, we are buying sails for #1. Main and jib. Got a quote from Hong Kong that is quite attractive. Fabric: 5.18 or 6.18 oz. The main would be $590 or $625 and the jib $390 or $430. The US made ones are a probably bit more expensive but I have no quotes right now. Looking for suggestions re: 5.18 or 6.18 oz - the difference in price for the set is $100.
He says: The price difference is trivial. I would suggest heavier for the main as it will last longer and it is well supported between the mast and boom. I would get 4 battons placed. If your thinking of off shore you want triple stitching and bolt rope edges to increase the strength and resistance to tearing out. At least one DEEP reef. If you have to reef, you want it to make a difference. I sailed Nutty with the reef in and she moved quite well. If you can get a leach line sewn in that would be good feature too.
How big a jib ? Anything bigger than 85% of J length and you will be using it in lighter airs ( ie less than 12 knots so you can use the lighter weight. If you are using roller furling and want to roller reef you will need to have some one put in luff padding in the construction. If your jib is smaller tan 85% you can go with heavier weight and then consider poling it out. The Nutty actually has twin head stays and fittings on the mast to pole out 2 head sails at the same time. So I have a matched pair of smaller head sails. I'm not satisfied with the sheeting angles on the Heritage coming to the caprail. I think the boat would have sailed to wind better if the headsail sheet went to the cabin top. Next year I will be experimenting with a barber hauler arrangement. I n very light airs a quickly deployed asymmetrical spinnaker works well and looks really cool. That's usually 0.5 oz Nylon.
Despite the lack of sails I think Andy got a great deal for the boat. I was admiring the photos and wished the Nutty looked as good. I have Nutty hauled out on her trailer and I am looking at a indoor garage arrangement for 4 months so I can continue fixing leaks.
And another comment from Phil Williams from Port Townsend, WA on sails and sail cloth: Good Old Boat magazine had an article with a table showing recommended weights for sail cloth.
For sailboat lengths 16 to 20 feet, the article recommends a cloth weight of 5 oz .
For boats 21 to 26 feet the recommended sail cloth weight is 6 oz.
This is a link to the article: http://www.goodoldboat.com/reader_services/articles/Newsailblues.php
I would opt for the 6.18 oz sail cloth in keeping with the Heritage 20's ability to handle heavy weather.
The editor of xxxxxx magazine contacted me a few weeks ago about writing a boat review on the Heritage 20. We agreed to wait until spring when the weather is warmer to go out sailing. He said information on the Heritage 20 website would help him write the review. I will keep you posted!
I hope that my wife and I can meet you the next time you are in Seattle and meet with other Heritage 20 sailors.
While picking up Howie Renner's Heritage in Fort Myers, Florida, we acquired this photograph made of Howie returning from sailing to his home there. It was made by his sister-in-law. It is the last photograph that was made of Howie aboard his Heritage.
Gabriella makes her way from Florida to Austin, November 20, 2015
Andy Davidhazy's Heritage Number 1 (Howie Renner was the builder and previous owner) made her way from Ft. Myeras, FL to Austin, TX during the weekend of November 20, 2015. She is fully equipped but, alas, the sails were misplaced and could not be found. Suggestions on dealing with this would be welcome by Andy. Name will be Gabriella, in remebrance of his grandmother. Visit the Gabriella's album to see many photographs of her exterior and interior layout and appearance.
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HERITAGE owners group sailboats listing
Photographs of other boats would be very welcome for inclusion on this site!!!
--- each Heritage gets an "album" ---
Barry Rietz who compiled a list of owners at one time sent me this note:
Andy, Of all the owners shown on my list, two stand out as very knowledgeable of where many of the boats are located in the Pacific Northwest and seemed to be excited about creating a "Heritage 20 Owners Group". They are Gary Nece (a Seattle attorney) and Grant McConchie (who worked 32 years for a Caterpillar Dealership) both of whom are listed on the first of the two page list. It would be really great if you would begin the research that might lead to the formation of an owners group. I will assist should you decide to go forward.
If you do decide to spend time on the research, it was suggested that the following information be gathered:
1. Owners name, address, telephone number, email address, website if any
2. Boat "name", hull color, hull number.
3. Engine type & description.
4. Photo of boat.
5. Chain or ownership.
6. Knowledge of other Heritage 20's.
7. Equipment & rigging tips.
8. Adventures & sea stories.
List of owners who have email addresses:
Additional Heritage 20' Sailboat owners or past owners
if you can help compile a more current and accurate list that would be much appreciated!
you are also encouraged to share tips and hints as well as sea stories about your experiences with the Heritage. Photos are welcome! Please send your thoughts, corrections, objections, and anything related to this website to: Prof. Andrew Davidhazy at firstname.lastname@example.org
There is a reference to a Heritage at Southpark Marina on Duwamish - 8604 Dallas Street, 14th Street bridge near Boeing South of 1st Street bridge - Dry Storage - I called them but they could not help. Maybe this one will surface someday!!
HERITAGES FOR SALE
if you are selling or looking to acquire one let Andy (me) know at email@example.com
There are several articles about the Heritage beyond the one that was published in the Telltale Compass and included below.
You can see them by selecting (clicking on) their images below.
Backyard He puts dreams Heritage brochure
Boatbuilding under sail
Clever Design with her head Howie Renner and his Howie Craft
in her bilge - comps w/others enterprise in Lake Oswego, OR
Knowledge of other Heritage 20's.
your contributions welcome!
send to: Andy Davidhazy, firstname.lastname@example.org
Equipment & rigging tips.
Here is a link to a good article on outboards vs. diesels: http://www.yachtsurvey.com/GasDiesel.htm
your conributions welcome!
send to: Andy Davidhazy, email@example.com
Adventures & sea stories.
your contributions welcome!
send to: Andy Davidhazy, firstname.lastname@example.org
There are several photographs of the Captain that may give you a glimpse of his personality.
Look here: Captain András Dávidházy photographs.html
And there are also some photographs of Howie Renner and his wife Donna.
Her address may be: 2054 Barbados Ave., Fort Myers, FL 33905
Look here: Howie Renner photographs.html
General correspondence - for previous items click here
Details on Ellie on November 5, 2015
Ray Waldmann offerd this additional bit of info about Ellie: The v berth has some kind of carpet or other liningit is not painted white like the rest of the interior. It does set off the area nicely, and may provide some insulation, but I dont know since I haven't slept on board (yet). The rest of the interior is painted white with a primer, Brightside Pre Kote Primer white 4279, that I inherited from Steve when I bought the boat.
As to the woodwork, it is nice for a small boat. There are two open counters, with as sink to port and a space for a small stove to starboard mid ship. Under the companionway is a small cabinet/shelf area with three drawers, one hinged hatch, a shelf and the panel with 6 switches. I have also installed a meter for the battery so I know if its charged or charging, and a meter for hours on the engine (it was installed before next to the engine below, but hard to get to and impossible to read, so I moved it). All in all, a neat set up.
Bit of discussion about boats and trailers on October 18, 2015
Photo on left: At the last get-together Steve Cassella mentioned he had added a "plate" under the mast step so he could attach blocks to redirect halyards ... I wonder if anyone else did this.
Photo on right: On my Heritage trailer there is a 20 foot extension hidden in a sheath running the full length of the trailer. Wonder how many others have this "tongue" that makes launching easier when one has a long way to reach the proper water depth for launching.
Heritage #1 was recently sold in Florida to Andy Davidhazy, the son of the admin of this website and owner of #5. #1 was Howie Renner's boat and you can see photos of her on Puget sound with Howie and Donna and guests above. More photographs of her present condition are included in an album dedicated to this Heritage that is making its way from Fort Myers to Austin in November 2015.
Present and past owners of Heritage sailboats meetup on October 18th at the Waldmann's in Seattle. In the photograph are Ray and Mary Waldmann, Steve Cassella, Sue Davidhazy, Christy Haase and Andy Davidhazy.
This year the group size increased by one, as Steve Cassella, the past owner of Heritage #5 and who sailed her singlehanded from Seattle to Hawaii and back joined the group for this second get-together. Conversation went on and on about sailing and other life stories. I think Ray and mary were not prepared for such a long wine and cheese gathering! When it came time to make a group photo most everyone got serious but Christy could not contain herself in the end and burst out laughing. A couple more changes were introduced in the photoshopped version at right. Can you spot them? In a Facebook comment Christy said: At least sailors are a happy lot! That was a fun Heritage rendezvous, glad we got to visit again!
What follows is an exchange regarding various issues related to Heritages.
On Sept. 14, 2015 a message regarding the Nutty was received. It updates the status of the sailboat and shares some insighht into its provenance. Mark Raine said:
Andy good to hear from you. We launch the "Nutty" for the first time in maybe 15 years this May. There are still some items to be done. Attached are before and after shots of rudder modification due to increase in size of prop. The glass on the leading edge was solid and ground down well. It was reglassed and faired. I am also sending an inside view of engine bed with epoxied 3/8" bronze hanger bolts tapped into bed for new engine.
Nutty came with a EZ dual axel trailer disc brakes and about 12 sails, "new" Yanmar diesel engine and uncountable small parts. It was a gift from the previous owner for a nominal fee. I showed that he paid $15 thousand for it in the late 1990s. I have since put a couple of thousand into it for mostly trailer work and also rehab including rewiring, engine install and exhaust, all plumbing thru hulls, glass work, painting
I have been sailing it 25 times including 2 overnight trips for 2-4 days. I have had the winches under water a couple times during gusts. ( we dont usually sail that way ) and trolled while fishing for salmon.
This biggest problem I have is that the cockpit seat hatches leak BADLY. Poor design is very dependant on a flat seal, and then the piano hinges face the low side of the seat and act like a sieve. The forward and aft hatch covers are correct since they overlap. The seat drains plug up too easily or are over whelmed since it rains A LOT ( 14 feet a year) here in Ketchikan I am searching for ideas on modifying the seat and the drains. Any suggestions well appreciated. Mark
On October 17, 2015 Andy Davidhazy suggested: Agreed. What to do? I tried rimming the hatch top and the inside lip with polyvynil tubing that I had slit lengthwise. This allowed me to slip the tube over the edges for at least 1/2 way around the opening. Seems to help but I don't experience the kind of rain that you mention!
On Sept. 14, 2015 Ray Waldmann replied to Mark's concern as follows: This is not an elegant solution, but it helped. I had the same problem when I got Ellie, went to Lowes, got some rubber weather stripping with adhesive backing, looped it around the inside of the hatch cover so that it is compressed between the hatch cover and rim around the opening. One side works fairly well, the other much better, but they both have less water in the compartments than when I bought her. Ray
On Sept. 15, 2015 Barry Rietz replied to Mark's concern as follows: First let me introduce myself. My interest in the Heritage 20 sloop goes back 45 years when I first met "Bill Frances" at San Diego. Bill was the owner of hull #5 if memory serves me correctly. He became the second owner of that vessel and we enjoyed time together sailing her both locally and down at San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico over many years. I acquired hull #17 form the original owner in 1982 at San Diego. After many years of sailing the San Diego area, and living aboard "Minka" for two years, I relocated to Cochise County, Arizona. There Minka went into storage on a trailer and in a large shed for protection from weather and sun damage. During the course of my friendship with Bill, and ownership of Minka, I had the opportunity to meet with Howard Renner several times at his Lake Oswego, OR "factory". I also spoke by telephone to Andrew Davidhazy's father, the designer of the Heritage. It was a special time for us all as both prideful builders meeting with happy Heritage owners made it as good as it could be! I miss those days!!! Just this year I made the tearful decision to sell Minka to someone who I feel could not be a better owner. "Kenny" will keep Minka as she should be kept and will carry on the tradition of the Heritage. I remain active in boating and now own a 22 foot "C-Dory" that I cruise summers at Wisconsin.
Now my two cents worth regarding the cockpit drains and seat scuppers. The cockpit scuppers can and should be increased in diameter by installing larger two inch fittings. And as "Ray" has indicated earlier in this thread, heavy rain is an issue as well as vessel position in storage. My suggestion is to install four cockpit drains, one at each corner, and connect them in pairs. Using a "Y" fitting connect both starboard drains together and port-side likewise. Since the existing drains are at the waterline, work will need to be performed on the "hard". With the 2" hose, and the "fore and after" scupper drains, the cockpit should remain dry even in the heaviest of following seas or torrential rain.
The seat drains will require some fiberglass work in order to enlarge the 1/2" drains to at least 3/4". This project if considered should be well planned before cutting into the deck or hull. Best that you enlist some knowledgeable assistance in carrying out this modification.
If I can be of help why feel free to write me at the address shown here. Barry Rietz, N9DXC@hotmail.com
On Sept. 16, 2015 Mark Raine replied as follows: Thank you for putting my question out there. It is interesting to note that a pictures from the boat for sale in Florida has the hinges for the cockpit hatch running athwartship forward of the hatch. This would allow a more solid sealing foam tape to run on the outboard aspect of the hatch. Better but not great. I would be interest in another picture and some first hand reports of how well that works.
I am very interested to here the experience with the electric motor you have. How far and fast can you go? What size battery bank does it require? Could you recharge be solar only? Mark
On Sept. 17 2015 Andy Davidhazy replied to Mark's concern as follows: Hi Mark, I don't have any suggestions on how to deal with drain problems and have limited experience with the Torqeedo having only used it about three time so far. It is the 1003 model. It weighs about 30 pounds and is the equivalent of a 3 HP outboard. It pushed my boat at a maximum speed of about 4 knots in calm waters. It can do this for maybe 40 minutes or so but the time goes up significantly if one cuts down on speed. There is an indicator built into the tiller assembly that tells you how much power is left as well a the range one has at the current power usage level. The tiller also has a built in GPS and it is with that that it determines your speed. It gets activated by an app that you get from the manufacturer. I have not followed through on that.
The battery pack comes with the motor and is removable and I take it home to recharge overnight. The tiller is removable also and I take it with me along with battery. The motor is obviously very quiet.
The battery can be also charged from a solar panel or from a regular marine battery or bank of batteries. They sell these accessory options or one can make oneself if one knows how. I don't so am sticking with home charging. BTW, you can charge as you go along as well but if solar I don't think you can charge fast enough to offset the drain of the running motor. Obvious. Andy
To which Mark replied on the 19th as follows: That sounds like a perfect solution for getting in and out of the harbor. After that of course you will have to be a real sailor. A lot of "trips" in SE Alaska require longer distance motoring say 15miles/day. Plenty of sailing but motoring for sure up fjord like passageways that seldom have wind. Electric probably not a good option for me. But interesting non the less. Another fellow I talked to had considered putting a huge battery bank into his 35ft sailboat with the idea that it was rechargable with solar. renewable resource and all that.
I saw your note about raising the mast which I did for the first time this Spring. Once I get it in the tabernacle it is simple to do. I have a fitting at the forward base of the mast that accepts the boom and then a gut (??) setup attached more or less permanently to the chain plates. the I use a 4:1 tackle to raise and lower. Moving the mast after it is horizontal takes time and a couple separate "A" frame supports. I'll work out a "system" to do it alone but often times easier and safer to just get a bunch a friends and/ or neighbors to lift it on and off the boat.
Recently we received the following message and photographs from Ray Waldmann and his progress with Ellie on Lake Washington.
Andy, I think we've done most of the restoration and improvements we had in mind, so now we can devote some time to&.sailing! I am attaching a few photos to show you the current look, after a new darker deck paint, finishing all teak inside and out, and getting seat cushions, sail cover and other goodies. Ray W.
Click on each image to see it in a larger version
this link takes you a very brief spin on the Ellie in 2014 with Ray, Christy, Sue and Andy on board: https://youtu.be/dqeilpyC_Po